tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post6250051352002617756..comments2024-03-25T22:48:31.750-04:00Comments on Dreams in the Lich House: Ape Men of the Black CityJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18031181424520125213noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-42656062344582577472012-12-19T15:29:38.076-05:002012-12-19T15:29:38.076-05:00So, I know it's a little late, but I thought y...So, I know it's a little late, but I thought you might like to know that Lovecraft has an interesting other take on White Apes: http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thebeastinthecave.htm<br /><br />Namely, the White Apes are us - not us devolved, at least not in the Darwinian sense, but actually us - anyone, going through enough neglect, shock, horror, or what have you, can become a White Ape, and they breed true.<br /><br />Of course, they also breed with humans, because they ARE humans. If you went that route you'd be combining the awkward sexual depravity angle with the personal corruption angle and mixing them both with the questionable moral imperative of pity these creatures represent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06113033843564920306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-4799502366426068442011-07-13T21:37:22.304-04:002011-07-13T21:37:22.304-04:00Personally I think your over thinking this. Hit th...Personally I think your over thinking this. Hit them hard & fast the issue will be over before there's even an issue. The above posters have hit the nail on the head. Cross breeding has been used numerous time in Lovecraft & other authors. Mostly these are monsters & that's what it says on the box. I understand the caution but its unwarranted here. Monsters exist to be killed on the sword.Needleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11243274667834930867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-73923219778242276792011-07-13T19:09:48.238-04:002011-07-13T19:09:48.238-04:00I did not know this about the origins of the white...I did not know this about the origins of the white apes, and along with all the comments, I have a lot of inspiration for a one on one game I intend to run soon for the wife.<br /><br />thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-559953813330113732011-07-13T18:45:20.119-04:002011-07-13T18:45:20.119-04:00Michael Crichton's Congo suggests similar inte...Michael Crichton's <i>Congo</i> suggests similar interbreeding. As far as the "touchy" issue--need it be direct human-initiated interbreeding? What if it was subhumans (orcs or something) and apes? Or what if it was just a bad group of evil, depraved sorcerers or something? <br /><br />Ultimately, it's S&S: it's horror-tinged, and it suggests the world isn't always a pretty place. I don't really see the problem so long as the bestiality is linked with the bad guys.Treyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04647628467658839351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-72847251469715271272011-07-13T17:00:57.906-04:002011-07-13T17:00:57.906-04:00With the apes cast as gentle, simple hominids, I c...With the apes cast as gentle, simple hominids, I could definitely understand the disgust at learning rogue adventurers were committing bestiality for the sole purpose of breeding compliant minions. So yes, the axe and sword it would be!christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09650456794111980661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-63197138563207450902011-07-13T16:20:56.167-04:002011-07-13T16:20:56.167-04:00Impressive work Beedo. Lots of obvious love and at...Impressive work Beedo. Lots of obvious love and attention on this project. Kudos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-2307650384904000932011-07-13T14:32:41.739-04:002011-07-13T14:32:41.739-04:00"you're""you're"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-22268459340941174392011-07-13T14:29:58.492-04:002011-07-13T14:29:58.492-04:00Beedo: I'm impressed with the entire BC mythos...Beedo: I'm impressed with the entire BC mythos you're building and very much look forward to the day it's compiled as a setting. I'll be in line to send you some dollars.<br /><br />The interbreeding idea just adds another layer and is potentially a powerful bit of myth-making. Certainly something I'm going to examine n my own campaign. I think it's all the more resonant and effective as a blurry sidebar that you may choose to amplify or obscure according to the needs of your group. I think the horrific, especially in genre, is far more powerful as something that exists in soft focus most of the time. <br /><br />I admire what Flame Princess is attempting, for example, but in-your-face extreme horror appeals to the basest parts of the inner animal and loses its weirdness, its shock, its potency, fast. What your proposing, with its nuances and layers, is far more intriguing, for my money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-5948005606022569762011-07-13T10:31:45.874-04:002011-07-13T10:31:45.874-04:00From my perspective monsters are sin personified. ...From my perspective monsters are sin personified. When human beings are monsters in a fantasy setting, they display some kind of mark of chaos (usually a kind of mutation along with a special ability). There are two reactions to this mark. One can embrace it (and therefore cross the threshold into being a true monster) or one can rebel against it (by struggling towards repentance). This provides a mechanism for players to clearly delineate their morale choice as well as a means by which to see if and when true repentance occurs — the removal of the mark.<br /><br />To add further depth, the Greys sinned when they created the White Apes (they tried to be God sans God — Frankenstein's Monster all over again). Therefore, the White Apes will manifest that sin in some way (I would give them some kind of built-in flaw). For example, they could view devolution as the true natural order and/or they could see their forced servitude as a good thing…FrDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00459281821319914530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-11858579796334071692011-07-13T10:27:41.086-04:002011-07-13T10:27:41.086-04:00That's a good idea, Antion. I did indeed plan...That's a good idea, Antion. I did indeed plan on presenting the (matriarchal) ape society as eager to mate, which I'm sure would be skeevy and a bit uncomfortable. But my original take was maybe this was survival/learned behavior related to abuse and exploitation. Your idea muddies the water and makes it shades of grey.<br /><br />Either way - yes - this is definitely a sidebar that could could/should be glossed over. I'll use it to give some NPCs a dark secret worth hiding, and perhaps some unsettling encounters for PCs. Thanks fellas!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18031181424520125213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-2086874608151581952011-07-13T10:02:27.924-04:002011-07-13T10:02:27.924-04:00Do you intend for the major emotional response to ...Do you intend for the major emotional response to be outrage at sexual exploitation? I'm unclear on if that was your intent. If so, I agree with those above.<br /><br />On the other hand, I think playing up the sheer inhumanity of the offspring and the acts that create them would disturb my own players more. I'd have the Apes <i>eager</i> to breed with men, jealous of their evolved, gracile forms.Nobodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553033903110391188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-51535724573484527262011-07-13T08:56:58.514-04:002011-07-13T08:56:58.514-04:00Sounds good to me, and fits in with the general th...Sounds good to me, and fits in with the general theme. I'd go with John and have it as a side-bar type of thing, an extra layer that can be disregarded as necessary.Simon Forsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243845335993440168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4353391426294254427.post-50175602791715256642011-07-13T08:45:48.379-04:002011-07-13T08:45:48.379-04:00Could be good. My only advice would be to keep the...Could be good. My only advice would be to keep the raiders and their recent hybrids not too central, so you can leave them out if necessary.John Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16945534608747334150noreply@blogger.com